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  • in reply to: Introduction #855
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    “The essential quality of poetry is that it makes a new effort of attention, and ‘discovers’ a new world within the known world. Man, and the animals, and the flower, all live within a strange and forever surging chaos. The chaos which we have got used to, we call a cosmos. The unspeakable inner chaos of which we are composed we call consciousness, and mind, and even civilization. But it is, ultimately, chaos, lit up by visions. Just as the rainbow may or may not light up the storm. And, like the rainbow, the vision perisheth.

    But man cannot live in chaos. The animals can. To the animal, all is chaos, only there are a few recurring motions and aspects within the surge. And the animal is content. But man is not. Man must wrap himself in a vision, make a house of apparent form and stability, fixity. In his terror of chaos, he begins by putting up an umbrella between himself and the everlasting chaos. Then he paints the underside of his umbrella like a firmament. Then he parades around, lives, and dies under his umbrella. Bequeathed to his descendants, the umbrella becomes a dome, a vault, and men at last begin to feel that something is wrong.

    Man fixes some wonderful erection of his own between himself and the wild chaos, and gradually goes bleached and stifled under his parasol. Then comes a poet, enemy of convention, and makes a slit in the umbrella; and lo! the glimpse of chaos is a vision, a window to the sun. But after a while, getting used to the vision, and not liking the genuine draught from chaos, commonplace man daubs a simulacrum of the window that opens onto chaos, and patches the umbrella with the painted patch of the simulacrum. That is, he has got used to the vision, it is part of his house-decoration. So that the umbrella at last looks like a glowing open firmament, of many aspects. But alas, it is all simulacrum, in innumerable patches. Homer and Keats, annotated and with glossary.”
    - DH Lawrence, Introduction to Harry Crosby’s Chariot of the Sun

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    Returning to Nick’s question (I missed it before):

    i have a question for everyone though. what’s the problem with using the porn? glitch art to me is all about experimenting and trying things. the way these people are being talked about is crazy to me. labeling people as pimps and saying they’re metaphorically causing physical abuse to these women is actually starting to cause me “metaphorical physical harm.”

    Misquoting throws off a discussion, accidentally or as a way to derail what was actually said was, which was:

    the possibility of glitch being used as tool for enacting/enjoying violence on women’s bodies, virtually. That woman’s head has been cleaved open and she’s being fucked in the chest, in a perpetual loop.

    This was a description of what is apparent in the image, not a metaphor. The aesthetic enjoyment is presumed, the looping violence is apparent but I am open to an alternate description of what is happening in that gif. In fact, I’d welcome someone describing that gif in a way that either completely abandons what I’ve set up or turns the violence into something more than banal desecration based on what is already a banal porn video.

    Returning to your second sentence, what is the problem with using the porn? No one, as far as I’ve seen, has made a strong argument against using “the porn” in these forums. If anything, many of us have consciously avoided revisiting past Porn Wars. However, porn is not a video of a cat.

    no one has a problem with glitching an image of a cat? but through this dialogue it sounds like that would be animal cruelty.

    I’ve sought out and failed to find what I believe to be solid studies of the abuse of actors in the pornography industry. It’s too contentious. (That is not to say there is any evidence of the opposite.) While you can argue (and PETA might argue) that cat images might involve cat exploitation, I believe but cannot prove that you would be on much more solid ground in arguing that randomly selecting porn gifs from porn sites will likely find images of people who have been exploited. (Obviously the exploitation of workers is not specific to any one industry but we’re not talking about people “glitching” pictures of McDonald’s workers.) So my first question to people making glitch porn is “Who is the person in your image and what is really happening to them?” I would argue that for most of the links I pasted in this thread, the artist has no answer whatsoever. That  isn’t “the problem with using the porn,” but it’s a question that I think is worth addressing. I understand that this may not be an interesting or relevant question for everyone.

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    Why?
    Because it feels good.
    Because it gives me an erection.
    Because it makes me come.
    Because I’m sick.
    Because there was so much sickness.
    Because I say FUCK THE SICKNESS.

    - Bob Flanagan

    Flanagan, especially the documentary SICK is a necessary reference in any discussion of “bio-glitch”.  I don’t have much to say about it, anyone who hasn’t seen it should do so and listen to Flanagan speak for himslelf

     

    in reply to: Are some things unrepresentable? #597
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    The glitch image is such an affective image. The glitch image doesn’t symbolically re-present its underlying codex. It performs the failure of its underlying codex in a way that makes the contours of that codex visible.

    Is noise / compression traces / etc in a “glitch image” a failure of the codex? It seems no more so to me than static on a radio or smudges in a newspaper. Back on Galloway’s essay…

    I don’t even know where to begin, I question so much of it.

     Hence there exist a number of artists creating beauty via the corruption of function, from Jean Tinguely’s kinetic sculpture, to the flicker films of Tony Conrad, or the programmatic drawings of Sol LeWitt

    Turning Tinguely’s sculptures into an aesthetic recuperation of corruption? Turning Conrad’s  frequency/harmonic-inspired structured films into errors? Opening art to the potential of chance, as in LeWitt, posited as “creating beauty via the corruption of function”. Shoving these all together and presenting them as a general approach? I am not at all convinced.

    in reply to: re: more on community –> solidarity? #593
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    re: communication – It has been brought to my attention that the formality/structure of longforumspeak is challenging… that people “talk past each other”… and it feels competitive and frustrating.

    This is how listservs and forums often feel to me and why I don’t participate in things like Nettime or empyre. I am subscribed to both but they get automatically archived into their respective folders. I visit them sometimes but I’m rarely tempted to join in. The idea that one should be able to defend anything one says at any time to anyone demanding it is not particularly useful and undermines solidarity.

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    If the question to porn glitch blogs is: ”Why porn? (whats your relation?) && What does a glitch in a porn image mean/do for you?”

    I wonder if we should expect an answer other than: “Because it looks cool. && Because…it looks cool?”

    Looking through broken gifs, I see: glitched pop culture Sponge Bob, The Office, Seinfeld, NBA, porn
    Looking through Flicker  Glitch group, I see glitched porn but no Sponge Bob, The Office, Seinfeld, NBA (yes, there are a tiny number of pop culture references, e.g Simpson’s game but they are buried in comparison to non-pop-culture)

    So, why is porn the only think crossing over between these two repositories of glitch?

    in reply to: Apple and Access #422
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    Returning to Ben’s question, I’d like to split my response in two.

    First: Apple – Glitch – Academia (esp art departments & schools). The easiest response is to point out that a lot of people involved in glitch are students (under/grad), recently graduated or teaching (independent/adj/prof). Apple started trying to buy that market when I was in 6th grade (i.e. a long, long time ago/Print Shop 4ever!!!). Later they bought the “creative” market and finally they bought Final Cut and drew in nearly all of us who, at the time, thought of ourselves as video artists but had no access to high end suites. So, video artists + new media artists in academia, Apple is a given. This is not an interesting direction for the discussion IMHO, it’s just market talk.

    Second, more interesting for me Politics && Ease of Use. The first computer I bought the first time in grad school was after I bought into the linux propaganda that was really blowing up at the time (’97/’98). It was a ridiculous waste of time, complex, dependencies, terrible GUI, sad apps trying to replicate existing Mac/Win apps. So I have a ax to grind with that community, a community I think still lacks enough people who care about making things easy to use, a community still (and I’ve kept up, especially when I was an information architect & usability designer) that prefers tech knowledge and code to interface and usability. All of this ties into this glitch thread at the point of ease of access and use. Getting behind the interface to what’s happening and what can go wrong/be made to go wrong is what we’re talking about but accessibility to that is what the thread is about. Many, Rosa and Nick, in particular, have put together incredibly open and even friendly tutorials and toolkits, so glitch, or gli.tc/h anyway, cares about making things open and accessible and, above and beyond the linux community, even pedagogic/teaching approaches to sharing. Whether or not it’s true, and testing usability and ease of access is way beyond this discussion, a lot of people perceive Apple as easy to use and thus friendlier for people to start with.

    At the same time, there is no denying it’s a fashion choice and the world has been bombarded with ridiculous message of pseudoliberation via Apple’s new, locked-down, non-creative devices, built, almost literally, on the backs of suicidal laborers. Apple is a political topic and, as you hint at, a ridiculous number of photos from gli.tc/h events, any new media event really, act as glowing white apple icon grids of free advertisement.

    So, that’s my response to the question. My question is where can this discussion go? Is gli.tc/h interested in the morality/politics of the computers that produce the glitches? Or, perhaps a more open direction, is there a gli.tc/h politics?

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    @Rosa YES. I think this is a good question to ask.

    @ Evan Hitchcock is a good example, since he abused women as part of his work (like Stanley Kubrick), both sometimes to get the prefect performance (ART!) and sometimes because they just seemed to enjoy hating women.

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    I dunno, Nick, I only went through a few pages of http://pornoglitchy.tumblr.com, which I had not seen before, and I found this:

    [trigger warning: violent sex]

    http://pornoglitchy.tumblr.com/post/30780678906/dirtynewmedia

    It seems to me that the porn glitches are not outside (or inside) but that there is not much difference between the glitch art porn use and the tumblrs. It’s a continuous flow and it looks like that gif, if I am seeing this right, came from redit, was published to dirtynewmedia’s (a group presenting @ gli.tc/h) tumblr  and then got reposted in pornoglitchy. I am not arguing for or against the work here, I am just questioning whether the high (new media art) /low (commercial, tumblr) art dichotomy that you and Nick Kegeyan constructed is all that relevant if it’s the same works making their way through both cultures.

    Also, I also think that is a near-perfect illustration of what we discussed as the possibility of glitch being used as tool for enacting/enjoying violence on women’s bodies, virtually. That woman’s head has been cleaved open and she’s being fucked in the chest, in a perpetual loop. Again, this is not necessarily a value statement. Francis Bacon discussed the violence enacted on bodies of friends via painting. There’s a difference to be discussed there, though.

    in reply to: Apple and Access #261
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    “If women aren’t into computers they won’t be into making computer art”

    Do you imagine either is true? The first computer programmer was a woman. The field of new media is full of outstanding women. The most recognized, published person, arguably, on the topic of glitch, is a woman. And on the other side, the most important contemporary dismissal of new media art by the established art world was recently written, by a woman.

    None of this changes the fact that there is much discussion to be had about the disturbing encrochment of the (largely sexist) “nerd culture” (that you claim spawned glitch) into the field of new media art. The topic of “lack of women in tech professions” arises once every few months, not nearly enough when the topic is really why over half the population is regularly attacked for trying to participate in vital human culture. Instead of intelligent discussion, the topic is more often treated with a shoulder shrug and all too often, the topic is raised when some game creeps try to defend their lolz about dickwolf rape as creative expression.

    I think the use of Apple tech is a mildly interesting topic, especially in the arts but, when asked to address it from a broader context, you reverted to the barricades of “our community” and “we as community members” and strange, unsupported claims of “nerd culture” “inheritance”. I think the language and defensiveness of you response is more of a point for discussion than the Apple topic. Whose community? Who are members? Who are these nerds and what is their culture?

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